you know what gets me? why are we having this discussion in the first place? so wolf, you won't use it. others will. if others do, there's a market for it. the universe ain't just users that have Max, Maya, Cinema etc.. there are some of us that welcome an alternative to Poser. and with the competition, who knows. maybe CL will get their act together and actually deliever on promises that they have made with their software? I for one can't use Poser 5. yet other games and apps work AOK that need far more in the way of hardware and resources. examples such as trueSpace, Tron 2.0 (hell that taxes a machine to it's limits on high mode lol), etc. so I know it's not my machine thats at fault before anyone says it is.. there's no excuse for the 'pot luck' approach of 'will it run ok on my machine or not' with a modern biz. I wish Daz a lot of luck with D/S but I know for certain.. free or not, soon as 1 bug, just 1 bug is found, there will be a witchhunt from some users on Daz accusing them of bad coding etc. they won't bother about the Beta status or it being free.. they will holler and look for attention. the world we live in is sad, but thats the way it is. Kai