(grins) Aye, but nobody cares about Bryce 6 anymore. We've decided to skip ahead to Bryce 9, remember? (grins) The Advanced Creature Lab. The Deep Molecule Editor. And of course, the Laser Lab. (smirks) Phantast, I understand where you are coming from on this one, but the sky presets, like all Bryce presets, were just made to give us ideas and tutorials on where to go. Don't give up on the sky lab, it's wonderful in all of it's forms.... Just keep tweaking and you will eventually get the desired results...! If you want to see some skylab magic, check back in a day or two, we'll start a new forum where we can all slay down our Sky Lab blues!