"It analyzes HDR images and generates the coordinates, color info, and intensity for a corresponding light dome. Useful if your application (i.e. Poser ) doesn't support HDRI directly" Now that is interesting, I got HDR Shop on a cover cd a few months back but didn't really delve into it cos I knew poser couldn't deal with the resulting files. I wasn't aware of the extra information. I'm pretty sure probelights are in 2.1. Ericofsd, thats definately getting there. I did an image (on my other comp, will post later) where I had V3 and all of the textures were imported as an image file connected to the probelight connected to alt difuse. which game me a self lit V3. When I next get time I'm going to play about with the suggestions that Stefan made, those look like some interesting settings. Perhaps a probelight could be attached to the environment? just a thought. I'm absolutly gagging to try HDR studio, I think thats what its called, its kinda a global illumination setup that can get various light colours and intensities from a 2d image. Again not real HDRI but reckon youd get some interesting results.