No there's no boolean, it's those teeth I made in Rhino. Swade asked me to put them in free stuff and I thought ok. But since I couldn't get it to export as a 3ds I just exported it as a Bryce object. Thats where the fun comes in, it is now 23Mb and there's no way I could host that for d/l never mind R'osity accepting for such. I'll go try what Scott suggested, it's either that or I try to learn more about grouping things in Rhino.........that program scares me. hehehe 8) Catlin