Thanks for all the responses. I was using the conform. Also If I tweek V3's shape it makes the clothes fit differently. Usually I do change her shape. I am using V3 clothes too. The first suggestion of parenting sounded viable. It just seems like every thing needs so much tweeking, the second skin textures are nice but look like tatoos instead of clothes. Thanks for the welcome Jackson, I don't spend too much time in the forums but I've been a part of Renderosity for about 7 months.