thanks all for the great comments, MabFairyQueen deserves some of the credit for this as the excelent texture work is hers. yep the face morphs are m3 stock face injections. and yes i can post dial settings. Lol sandoppe, young brando was just what I was shooting for though I think I came closer to Jack Lemmon myself. ah well need more time to learn all the dials, and do some organizing there, (sure glad that P5 can organize dials into sections)