Oboy. I wonder what Phoul is going to think... :) What I wonder is if this may be the build of Vue that has full or nearly full Poser 5 support. There's wind generation and dynamic mesh deformation, so it seems possible, at least. There's definitely an improvement in the renderer there, and perhaps the lights as well. And as I -am- interested in animation.... (those trees swaying in the wind...whimper....) it looks like a good one to me! As for abandoning the user base...Personally, I doubt it. There aren't enough 'pro' users out there to provide the sales that the hobbyist base has, and even if there were, the economy is such that =every= customer is precious. Particularly for a software house. And I would also think that there will be an upgrade price for those of us with Vue 4; or maybe a two stepped one, with a little more being off for those who have Vue and Mover 4. What I want to know is when are we going to see more on this beast!