yes you can in fact do the cloth draping thing in Poser5 .. however I haven't quite figured out how to it get back out again .... tongs maybe? grin you might be stuck rendering in POser evil laugh (don't worry .. since you use Bryce the times won't be significantly differant than what you are used to) PhilC is the man to ask..but that thread that some linked is a good place to start. The Poser forum, if you haven't noticed, is kinda rabid about warezers .... its not a good thing to joke about grin Good luck! Lyrra