Thanks guys!- Freebies, Gee, I do need to do some more Freebies, maybe after this set... What would you like in th eline of Freebies, bearing in mind I don't want to compete with myself? In th epast I've done things like a Civil War cannon, which I think is a super model, but seldom gets seen in renders. How about someting like a Golden Age racing plane (think Gee-Bee?). Problem with that is there isn't too much 20-30ish clothing around, maybe, but Freebies have to be fun for me to make, and different from what's around. Now that I think of it, I could do the plane, then SELL a clothing set for the pilot... ;-) I'll have to try the displacement mapping, I'm sort of a babe-in-the-woods when it comes to Poser 5 but I'd guess it could be done with the same map as the bump mapping. Poly count for the pair of shoes is just over 9,000, incidently, of which about 6000 is the laces. I might try Optimize on the laces to get that down a tad, but 9K isn't too bad, I think.