i'm taking the bloody thing back tomorrow so it was actually borrowing it. i just didn't ask before taking it, thats all.... what is all this talk about: * m3? is that some update i'm going to have to snaffle form somewhere * v2/v3 yet another update i need? anyway who needs the serial code? i've just ran a quick google search for cracks for poser 5 and well, just guess the results. long live google! maybe i shouldn't have said that... i don't suppose you could point me in the direction of the bar can you? the bryce forum has a HUGE one near the door. and does anyone have an oily rag/sheet texture they are willing to share? John PS: fake mostash for sale, one previous owner, lower milage, bit of skin thrown in for free.