Thanks for the heads-up Catlin. C4D interests me too. Oh, Digits Magazine is offering ParticleIllusionSE 2.0 on their disc. I'm going to see about combining some of the effects with my Bryce animations(exploding spaceships, etc) According to the mag, this is not a time-limited demo, and you can download other emitter collections from Wondertouch's website. I love Bryce, but I'm not a strict purist and I'll use any tool I can to make a good effect. Seems like a good prog too. they've used PI 3.0 on a lot of recent feature films, both pre and post.