About Veritas777...I do not know him or her but if you think he is making trouble, you have my respect as a moderator in your task to take the necessary action you deem fit. "I never delete a thread without informing the original author"..About my comment for Vue 4 Pro, I'll take it from here that it went into cyberspace...anything with computers and electronics does give surprises and if this is the case, I'm take back what I thought. The fact that I brought it out was because it so coincide with that of having V777 post deleted. About video cards that works with Vue 4, I read your post and its a pretty good start. I'm dying to change my video card (applicational graphics rather than games) but because of Vue, I have been holding back. At least we are guided. I have a Oxygen VXD16 3d labs card that initially works beautifully with Vue 4 with Open GL but as the upgrade patch came along...I'm a having problem..even after a clean install of OS and everything else.