Gee, I don't know, for one thing, I don't see any magic in the fact that an AMD chip is faster than an Intel chip of the same clock speed, because the Intel numbers go higher, after all, it is the end result that counts. Like you said, we didn't really get enough high-end AMD results to prove much, but I'd go out on a limb and say the current P4 2.8 GHZ will beat any current AMD in a fair Poser 5 test, and prices aren't that far apart, $190 for a 2800+ AMD, without a fan and heatsink, $270 for the P4, with a fan and heatsink. It isn't like when AMD prices were 1/3 of the Pentium prices for slower-performing chips. Things will change down the road, of course, in addittion to the AMD the P5 is supposed to be out by the end of the year. Oh- Compiler, thanks! I agree with what you say, too. And I'd guess Win2K speed advantage isn't over 1 or 2% at best over WinXP- I saw 10% difference in the old test between Win2K and Win98, but Win98 is awfull, WinXP just has too much running in the background for pure speed.