Well I, for one, have found the p5 release to do everything I expected of it, and do it fairly well. It's fast, it's (for me) incredibly stable and has increased the efficiency of my workflow dramatically. To be honest? In the end my only real concern is this: Does Poser5 allow me to satisfy the needs of my clients and internal projects sufficiantly faster/better than p4 that it was worth the upgrade price? The answer is emphatically YES. Are people unhappy? Yup. Is that a bad thing? Sure. But does that constitute a complete failure of CL to deliver what is a substantial upgrade that is worth the price to many artists? Nope, not even close. When Poser6 comes out I will make exactly the same evaluation - is the price going to allow me to make more money or get more done in less time (and thus make more money). If the answer is "yes" I'll buy it, if "no" I won't. No reason to get all personal about it. To be honest, CL is suffering a MS effect. While many have legitimate complaints it is ALSO true that any product will eventually form a group of users who will simply never be happy with what they produce.