"I did NOT, however, say that was true for all, or even most, of those people with problems I didn't say you did. "I am not sure what was promised and not delivered. I am willing to learn of any substantial features that are not in the P5 as it stands now" I wasn't talking about promised "features" not being delivered, I was talking about the promised fixes and the "brand new program." The new features are great but what good are they if the program doesn't run? Or the features slow it to an unuseable crawl? And I agree about the plugins...they shouldn't have redone them. The resentment of them stems from the fact that we were led to believe CL was working all this time (years!) on this great new program, come to find out they didn't work much on it at all except to do the stapling. "Funny, I have seen serious and continuing work on the part of CL to fix the Poser5 bugs" I said SERIOUS problems, not minor glitches in the material room. CL themselves have admitted they aren't going to work on the real problems until Poser 6. "If there are any universal "show stopper" bugs in the current version, please let me know so I can avoid them.... cause I simply don' run into them." Congrats, you're very lucky you don't run in to: Memory Leaks Poser refusing to release textures Lockups when it can't find a file Multiplying Magnets Random Crashes Bog-downs after a few hours of work...necessitating reboot. Jumping Cameras. These are just what I come up with at the moment. And they ALL have been in Poser since 1999. And they are ALL still there in Poser 5. In fact, some got worse.