i've just checked amazon.co.uk bryce 5 is 74.99, remember you will get free delivery with that! http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000094ADI/ref=sr_aps_software_1_1/202-0929288-2338252 interestingly the training CD is 84.54! http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000694T7/ref=sr_aps_software_1_2/202-0929288-2338252 hope this post is slightly more helpful than my last one!!!!! john