I currently work with Cinema4d, the result of another magazine cover giveaway, although I now use the r8 version having upgraded. Poser went from 3 (on the same magazine cover disc as Cinema v5se last year) to Poser 4 reasonably quickly. I like this way of trying out programs much better than using the demos, being a slow learner it gives me months to mess with a program and see how I like it. I'm well aware they never give away the good stuff, otherwise there would be no point in getting a newer version. I've seen some beautiful work in the bryce gallery, so I wanted to check the program out. What formats does Bryce import/export? Shanna :-) (ps, thanks for the uk prices.....however did you know I was a brit?)