how the hell do you export in those formats? you can only export terrains or lattices in 3DS format. well thats all i've been able to do.... shanna - i'm a brit too so i like to work in real money ;] John PS: i got C4D off a cd too, we must read the same magazines!!!!!!! i haven't really played with that much because of bryce hugs cd case PPS: for sale exclaimation marks!!!!!!!!!!! Five for 2 beanz, get 'em while their cheap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! have a free sample [!]