You are all correct. it is a bad thing. there is no reason to punish anyone over it and the truth is I had a bad day, jumped to conclusions and should have kept my mouth shut. as for future ironhart products, I don't know what I am going to do but those products that are in the renderosity marketplace will remain as long as renderosity doesn't delete them. thank you all (mostly) for the show of support and compliments on my work. I really did need that! it is good to hear sometimes and it is good to know I have a talented and mostly loyal following. my warmest regards to all. ironhart (who is feeling a little better now.)