MachineClaw, if bitching, complaining and rants were rational and constructive, your comments might be true. Constructive criticism is helpful and does lead to better products just as you said., "I hate hate hate it!" And "It's an abomination cause it uses Vicki's mesh" are utterly unuseable criticism. In the last analysis, how many people buy Mike 3 and how well subsequent morph and clothing packs do will be better indicators of how good the product is. Count me with those who will reserve judgement until the whole package is seen-- and I can hardly wait-- yeah, I know, she said "package", snicker. Emily