Don't get me wrong, I love Bryce. In fact, I use it so much my wife has threatened to name our next some Bryce 'cause of it ... :P The renderer is wonderful. And slow. Does great work. As for Poser, I've seen some wonderful stuff that was rendered ONLY with poser, and I've seen some garbage rendered by Poser (mostly my own stuff ... :) Anywho. Think we've killed this thread yet?