Right, Lyrra. I've been reading all the Mike 3 threads with considerable amusement and have refrained from posting any comments (up until now). But I can't help thinking back to the V3 release and the torrent of threads/comments/opinions at the time. Everything from 'I hate DAZ 'cause can't I blow my mother's heart operation money on vicki clothes' to 'I'm committing suicide if I can't get a pair of panties for vicki right now!'. Ah well, the entertainment value is tremendous. mac