Hehe - yep I have all of them too. Forestry is really cool for painting bark maps. It's really nice to use the features in painter to let some subltle color bleed into the hoses too this automatically adds just the variation we've been talking about. Actually the cool thing about jungle3d is they are shadowless nozzles bulit for making 3d transparency maps and garden hose has the shadows which make them nice for painting when you need some depth. I'm gonna revisit an old image or two and paint in some details to see how it goes. Glad to see you like them too : ) Scott