cheers ray. its not as romantic as i imagined, but i love your pic, i'll give it a go. prehaps i should get hold of lightwave. where do i get UV mapper from? paul, the car in the final pic will be very very british and a damn good looking car and not a crappy washing machine on wheels. the starbird uses the pressure of sunlight to move. a very poetic form of travel. i saw it once on the Outer Limits. John