I've been one of the people encouraging those with lots of complaints to relax and give the mesh some time, but Cherokee69 and others are right...there are issues with the mesh. The first thing I noticed was the bizarre inner elbows. Sorry, but they sort of remind me of Vicky 1's strange elbows. Very odd, considering the excellence of the mesh in so many other areas. But as others have said it wouldn't surprise me if DAZ offers some joint fixes sometime soon. Either that or some clever person will figure out some Joint Editor settings to make the armpits and elbows look more natural. Oh, and as to the most crucial issue metioned in this thread, "penii" is the plural. If this is pronounced the same way that Latin or "scientific" names are in botany, it would be "pee-nee-eye." (I'm laughing out loud as I type this.) However, I'm sure nobody would fault you for saying "peen-eye" or for using the plural "penises." OK, I'll stop.