Well, to put in my $0.02 worth in I do not think that M3 is too femminie. Just take a look at your local gay bar (if you frequent those places. I do!) and you will see MANY feminine guys there! If you read how M3 came about is is because of their new UNIMESH that they make into V3 and M3. My opinion is that some of the problems that we are seeing are from that base mesh. I also think that most of what the complaint is here is that DAZ needs to rethink the Unimesh idea. Granted, it takes less time making a model from a known starting point, but I think that you can't beat making a completely new model from the ground up. All in all, I like M3. V3 as a male really did not do anything for me. I have her, but I was not too thrilled with the male morphs. Well, I can only hope that SOMEONE will do some penis morphs. PDXJIMS: I would like to see some foreskin and penis morphs too. Love to all, Tankred