heheh good shawn!!! :) Hehe i just wanted to add this: please people don't held me responsible for a trouble that should be fix by CL...my hairstyles renders very well in other progs like lightwave and 3dsmax, but for some strange reasons it won't work or barely work in firefly. I am not the firefly programer but I know my hair works fine with other render engines. So for those who ask if I can make a firefly version of those hair, well I can't...ask instead that firefly makers work thier problems out.Like I said, it works fine with other render engines, why not firefly??? Please CL if you read this post, try to pay attention to this detail.I think people would love to use firefly with transmap hi polys as I would love to. anyway, the p4 renderer works just fine for me for now.