Tried a quick render in P5 using the P4 renderer (draft setting). No problems at all in rendering, although I suspect the hair style is a bit "youngish" for my character :) Actually I think Syyd's Adrian texture renders better with this renderer as well....but P5 materials don't. You just can't win with CL. Neftis: I don't hold out any hope that CL will "listen up". They don't seem to know what that means. I never did install SR3 (heard too many people still having problems), so this is with SR2. Bottom line: your hair is great no matter what :)