Carolly, It's not so much the size as the variation. There is more variation in male genitalia than in women's breasts, but look how many morphs there are in V3 for that. Likewise there's a lot of variation caused by infant genital mutilation (circumcison). No two are alike. And since it's plyable in it's non aroused state, it's very much affected by gravity. It's probably the most changeable and varied part of the human body. For those of us who do male nudes, these variations become important. How genitalia lays varies with the pose of the hips and buttocks, add gravity, add variation so they don't all look like something out of a cardboard box from an adult novelty store, and you finally get realism. Male genitals posed at rest should have a draping effect, or in action scenes reflect the motion of the figure. Genitals can fly up, flop, or lie over the thighs falling in almost any direction. Female breasts are the same way, but male genitals hang more freely than breasts and should be able to reflect that. Of course size does come into play, no matter what anyone says. Sometimes larger (but not grossly large) genitalia help with emphisis and balance in a scene. Now, I will admit there are some (many) to whome size is important. But the more real in a nude, the better. The more possible variation the better. I do agree with the artistic posing. The best of the male nudes, at least to me, are posed so they combine all the pieces into a wonderful whole. Of course, if I could tie it in a knot, I'd do it. But I'd never post it here! It'd have to be a TOS violation, and I'm VERY careful about that (grin). Now I want to do a Ludh picture! See what you started! And there's no place where I'd feel comfortable posting it! And I will not tell the pretzil joke, no matter who asks. Jim