I agree that Firefly is a decent renderer, and I love the way shaders are set up in Poser 5, but it's just so damn slow, and the general bugginess of the app, plus my greater comfort with lighting in Truespace 4 makes me do pretty much all my rendering there (Via Konan's Truepose plugin, which will soon work with Poser 5 I'm told.) BTW If you just want a all around decent 3d app with a faster easier to use renderer with more features (Like Radiosity) You can get Truespace 4 for $200 now Plus $100 for Konan's plugin for animation or Use LUUV (Free) for stills. Or you can get Truespace 6.6 for under $600 which has a feature set which is pretty comparable to LW 7 (No Hypervoxels or Cel shader, but it costs a 3rd as much) At the moment TS 4 is all I need though. again you will need a plugin for proper import of poser models. http://caligari.com/