Great image eferrier!!! I agree with you completely. I do all my renders in cinema, but love poser aswell. You have Poser 5 and don't have the money for C4D?, you really don't have to worry, firefly is a great render engine (If quality renders is what you're looking for, that is, both programs are far more than that). Funny, I've seen some poser "haters" in the C4D gallery, but this is the first time I see a thread like this one. Havent seen any hate so far (in fact the arguments are more rational), but it seems like if the Poser users are fighting back. Cool!! Poser deserves more respect! sorry for my bad english.