Stewer, I was not trying to cause an argument or anything. I have not used poser 5 to it's full potential or even cinema for that matter. I was just agreeing the cinema is good at rendering. I also thought that others may wish to look at the free copy of cinema 6 ce on the front of most 3d mags. I thought it may be of benefit for those that can not afford to upgrade to PP or P5 but want to get good renders of their work. Both packages have their own "quirks" and merits. We can't really say that one is better than the other when they are both designed for different uses. One thing came out of this though! It got you writing a new script ;p Looks good BTW. (now I wonder, if I get them arguing about how good poser 5's folders are compared to how poser 4 organises it's files. Maybe someone like Stewer could create one for poser4?????) ;P Last bit was a joke, but if you can create one!!!!!!!