heh, I asked my hubby who just got promoted at work from a help desk technician, to a pc technician, and he started going into all kinds of things including opening a new bryce window....hahahah I made him get back off my pc and came to you guys immediately for help....I knew someone here would know...LOL Thankssssssss again! I saved the pic and gave up on the render for the night, but will start again tonight let it go all night....(and this is just a test render so i can get a look at it...sheesh)