He does have his problems... The whole collar thing needs work. The pits and the muscles on the upper arm, the way he bends into the chest... needs some fixing. His genitals are disappointing. No real morphs, little variation potential, tough to resize while maintaining position and morphs. Less face morphs than V3 (disappointing, I expected the same as came with V3). Tone should add definition, not bulk. Tone to me is just another muscle morph, not a cut muscle look like in M2 (and I REALLY want that). Form a modeler's viewpoint, it ain't nearly as easy to get clothing to conform with the way his joints are cut. On the other hand... He does bulk up pretty well. He's not the same build as M2, who was bulkier to start with, and that's a good thing. Most of his joints bend and smooth better than M2. He doesn't have that whole granite chin problem that on M2 was almost impossible to get rid of. His face can be morphed better and mmore easily than M2, and doesn't have the same look with every character the way M2 does. His genitals are 10 times better than M2's old default genitals. His mapping is so much better than M2's. We can actually to armband type tats on him without hours of painstaking adjustment. A lot of M2's clothing works on him with little or no adjustment. Most heavy jackets work great. Pants with some minor adjustment. Short sleeve shirts the same. He ain't Mike 2, and that's a good thing. His base body type is more lean (although if you combine his heavy, stocky morphs with the muscle morphs you get some very nice variation). Putting htem in the same scene makes it look like two different people, where when we only had M2 it could look like clones. In a few weeks there will be lots of new stuff for him. Morph packages, probably a fix for the collar (I hope), new clothing (free and for sale). Give us freestuff people a chance. Daz gave advance copies to their vendors. Freestuff folks didn't get squat, so we started on new clothing when we got him on the 10th. I'll have an underware set next week, as maybe the Imagination Gown for M3 done. It won't be as fast as the V3 stuff, but remember that for every male item released, there are at least 10 female items. It's the way of the Poser world. Tits get more attention than pecs, and hooters more than weewees. And I know everyone gets tired of me saying this, but the UTC with plugings was probably the best part of the release. When the V3 male came out, I bought every new male V3 texture I could find. This time I bought 1, and converted my favorites from M2 to M3. Now I've got a dozens of really nice textures, and other than the cost of the UTC they didn't cost me a thing. Only 1 had any problems converting, and that was a minor eyebrow problem (from the original texture). Here's Mint's Sinner converted to M3 with a tat overlay by me.