Yes, I understand, I did not know that the 2 would be separate, like I said I assumed it would be like Vue4's upgrade, I see I am incorrect. Niandji, I understand what you mean, I should also have been more clear. I guess from my perspecive, I came from Bryce 4, then had just gotten Bryce 5, before I had heard about Vue, then MikeJ introduced me to Vue and I fell head of heals for it, but I did really miss the Tree editor from Bryce and that little pencil that colored in a specific rendered part. Then when Vue had that survey regarding Bryce vs Vue, I was sure that there would be eventually a combining of the 2 software's under Vue's name. I am also assumning this is the beginning of the New Vue....I would never have thought like I said that there would be Vue4 and Pro, but what Dave said makes sense, that you could add these features to your existing Vue 4....now I am so confused I am going back to read it again. Sharen