Slight problem with the download bit. I still work in Poser3 and I don't have my own website. (I'm just a starving "artist" and know nothing about them technical thingies.) I intend to use them as conforming clothing in Poser3 but have no idea what to do to make them Poser4 friendly. If someone wants to volunteer to help out, I'd be happy to make them available. (Maybe a collaberation for future stuff and some of the old junk in my closet?) Berge