Of course, Dirk, I took it as nothing personal, and I understand your frustration... Granted I also feel it unneccessary for you to jump into a thread with someone asking for help and stating that Mike 3 is a joke, but to each their own. That said, I'd also like to say thank you. It's good to know that there are few level headed people still hanging out here in between all the immaturity that sometimes runs rampant here :) Anyway, how androgenous Mike 3 looks all depends upon the morphs you choose. I've posted this face a dozen times before and it can be seen on the DAZ website as well (apparently they liked the face :)) I just happen to feel it shows a good example of an non-andgrogenous Mike 3.