the first figure called crossbow is an image though, not a piece of the model, it will only save out as jpg or bmp. Guess that's to show what it's supposed to look like. I wonder if the crossbowcurves is supposed to be a texture map or something? I think I will look at it later and see if I can model my own though..lol wish me luck! Did anyone else try the www.xdsoft.com site? Hope they are still around. Marque