Quoll-True,( I agree with you ) but grunther and others recomended DIGITAL Texturing and Painting, and "DIGITAL Lighting and Rendering, (and they are great texts). In keeping with their lead/theme, I followed suit with recommending "DIGITAL Fantasy Painting, because it involved Vue, (this forum), and other related "DIGITAL", applications. :O) grunther, sorry for the interruption, I'll be quiet. :O(