God made woman from Adam's rib.....Daz made M3 from V3's mesh. Everything's gotta start somewhere I guess :) Ernyoka1 is right....it's like molding clay. I have no problem getting masculine looks, but you can tell they're all "related".....and I think it is the eyes. But what the heck! It's just a model....designed to provide some variety to our runtimes and a few bucks in DAZ's bank account. Those who do professional film making and the like are probably paying a lot more for their meshes and not buying them at Renderosity or DAZ's online store! The mesh/maps have some issues, but DAZ will fix them, as they always do and provide a free download to correct them. I'm not sure the expectations people had are as much DAZ's fault as ours. I've noticed that people tend to get very hyped up when we hear a new product is on the horizon.....I read the posts.....a lot of conjecturing goes on and pretty soon everyone has formed an opinion before the product is ever released. The same thing will happen when DAZ Studio is finally released. Plus, no one paid a huge amount for M3. Even if you paid full price, it's still under $30! I've seen clothing for sale here more expensive than that.....and the wonderful thing about DAZ is that they will give you your money back. I can't afford to pay hundreds of dollars for new models that I don't use in any professional capacity....I would guess a lot of people are in that same boat. If DAZ started totally from scratch, I suspect the prices would have been a lot higher and then we'd all be commenting about that. So.....provide me with updates for mesh/map fixes as they're available....give me my free boots.....and I'll deal with the familial similarities :)