lol. I'm having to much fun reading this. I agree with Deecey. It is VERY subjective which is "inferior". I liked M2. But it was very hard to make him look like anything other than M2. I like M3 more. It's just a preference. (And to disqualify the statement that everyone who had said something good about him brokers at Daz, I do not. ;) I'm not really sure why the wireframe was compared between V1 and V2. Still trying to figure that out. But most of the things everyone is complaining about were apparant BEFORE you would have had to purchase it. (Heck, many people started complaining from pic no one and the idea of a unimesh before Daz released him.) So why did you buy him? And if you didn't, why complain? You can still use your M2, as I am sure I will from time to time. (Can't do without Boris, lol) Yes, there seem to be a few bugs that are valid. And like everything else, I am sure Daz will fix them, if they haven't already. (Still waiting to hear why I have extra downloads, if it was a bug fix or not...) So I don't understand the need for 10,000 threads all complaining about the same things. wanders off scratching head