I'll definately try those settings, the preview render is the one I most always use anyway for images, except for a few...lol For the heck of it today, I began a simple full render to get an idea of time frame, and thi sis what it said for expected render time... 1:23:37:47 and first pass took 11:27 am assuming that's 1 day 23 hours? and the first pass was 11 minutes 27 seconds...lol I'll set it tonight to render on those settings (thanks Rick) and hopefully by morning, I will have something besides a white screen with 5 lines on it....LOL Thanks everyone for all the great comments, I am soooo thrilled with this image..It began as a "is it possible", and became "can I actually do it, or would of of the more experienced artists be better at it" If I can get a test render done for tomorrow morning, I'll also post the Oroginal inspiration piece... Hopefully by then, I'll have the extra plants in and will be ready for some C&C LOL Thankssssssss again grins big Jen