Thanks Giana :) Its always great to hear appreciation for that lil bit of extra effort. While i'm still fallin' way short of the Artist/Modeller i'd like to be its the lil steps like this that make the journey somewhat easier :D plus, i enjoy the interraction and input of other people ((kinda helps when my mind goes blank lol)) Couple of things i thought i'd bring up....Poser 5 version still not playin' ball, will keep tryin' and maybe even give the guys at Curious labs a shout and see if they can enlighten me and secondly....The test renders i've seen for the M3 tears aren't somethin' i'd be happy with if i were a customer, so......i'm playin' with the idea of a "blood, Sweat, and Tears" pack for him. It'll carry the tears as the previous one did, but also some head and body perspiration runs and i'm toyin' with the idea of liquid runs from the mouth ((milk, water, blood etc)) to add somethin' a lil different. ((and on the blood trickle idea possibly even some smartprop puncture wounds for the neck for my nocturnal friends ;) )) Once again i'll throw it up and see where the ideas land Thanks Ever/Ray ;p