Hmmmmm. Using multiple programs to come up with a throwaway illustration for a flyer doesn't really appeal to me. Fortunately, I don't often need people, so maybe sticking with POV makes the most sense, even though the hand typed part of the latest is now 1800 lines plus long. Three weeks, probably 2500 lines before I'm done, and five minutes of glory and "what's next". If anyone has noticed, a real kerosene lamp will throw a bright ring on the ceiling of the room it is in, and I've finally gotten that to come out too. Life is a roach when you remember too many little details. Richard