I agree with Little Dragon. If it's dieing, you couldn't prove it by my credit card companies :) Not being a modeler, but a lowly "button pusher" who just does this for a hobby, I suspect a "Poser type" program will exist for a long time to come. DAZ is getting into the mix to ensure that, I would guess. And Carolly: ".....Many years ago, I used DKB with no GUI to build spaceships. When you can turn 700 lines of code into a 3D creation, you have a starting point as a modeler......" Whoa!! You're really Trinity, aren't you!! :)