I just want to thank y'all (I'm still working hard on the southern drawl - it's a bit hard to get real sounding, since after all I'm a stranded Norwegian viking here in FL) for your comments. The chin ups - as well as the kicks in the butt are both important! I'll see what I can do with the poor fella's pants. I've been lookin' (and lookin') for that darned poser file, and I'm not sure if I've even saved it after exporting the figures! That sure have taught me a very important lesson! So; it will have to be a postworked pair of pants for the little guy. chohole; Nope, I'm not member there. is it worth while looking into? Erlik Hmm... I'll have another look at those little critters. About the bump... I think that the bump might too hight, - that maybe a more transparent look to them might be better.. like the pants are really worn. I'll see what I can muster. If I choose the transparent route, I'll have to go through another 7.5 hrs of rendering time though. Ack! amethyss .. not sure I got what you meant? What do you mean? Something along the lines of the transparent look? jaydiva's suggestion is good too; to make the legs look torn... I'll be back with 'nother final result! lol Love, Britt