Well, if Poser is beyond them, then there is no hope. Poser is the most intuitive animation program around bar none. As for modeling, there are no programs that could be considered A-B-C in simplicity since modeling is intrinsically difficult. The closest thing to easy modeling would be Bryce and Amorphium. Of course, you wouldn't use Bryce for character modeling and amorphium gives limited results. I think that the best trade off for power and simplicity for modeling AND animation (with a fantastic price point) would have to be Animation:Master. It is by no means simple to use but it's powerful, cheap and can do everything. It is also a far site easier to learn than Maya or Max!!! Chris