lol I did get wings3D last night and tried to figure it out...lol came up with some funny looking thing....took me about 1/2 hour to figure out where to start...LOL I have NO idea how some of you guys can make such awesome models in there....it's hard as heck to make anything...LOL gonna try that model thing later, after diner....hopefully the house render will be far enough along to get something going in it too...LOL I had some MAJOR fixes to do in it...I saved the house as an object and put it in it's own pic to blow up and shrink for details...LOL Still have some stuff to do before I do anything with the model, but those things are small enough they don't show in this picture, but will in something closer...LOL Jen