Nose? Never heard of it, I'll have to check it out. Yeah, Rhino3D is an obvious, great choice I would love to use it, I'm gonna start with Wings3D I believe, and one day, when I can pony up the student enrollment and $200 for Rhino, I most likely will, lol. Unless I just want to lay down $800 for the full thing. ;o) I'll try the Rhino demo, but I want to learn the basics of modeling (in Wings) before I do that, just so I can take a fuller advantage of the demo, instead of learning on it. AS

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