For the longest time, we were complaining that it was real tough to morph M2 beyond certain parameters. We wanted a slimmer, less muscular and leaner Mike. And a face that didn't make it almost impossible not to look like the default. That's exactly what we got in M3. He's everything M2 isn't. Muscles don't look the same way, don't morph the same way. The face is more easily morphable away from the default, although he is tough to make into a tough and rugged guy. We got pretty much what we were asking for. The examples you've seen with M3 looking like M2 are probably deliberate attempts to get him to look that way. Add to that the UTC converter for textures (converting old M2 textures to new M3 textures), and you can get some look-alikes. There are some problems. Tone drives me crazy. I expected it not to increase the muscle size, but add more definition. It's actually more of a muscle morph than a cut-muscle morph. To me that's not a real tone. The muscles of the neck and shoulder (traps) tend to be overdone, and don't look quite human. The traps small morph doesn't correct it correctly, leaving some squarish look to them. These are a few problems with the mesh itself that Daz has identified and will be fixing in the next 7 or 8 days (their time table, not mine). The worst of these is the increadable collapsing armpit and the accordian chest/abs. His private parts are a seperate conforming figure that are much better than what comes with M2, but they still fall way short of the free Ulf genitals at GPA or Digiport's genitals at BBay. We ned a good morph package for them. I know of at least 2 master morphers who are doing packages for him. If the new packages compare at the ones they've done for other characters, it'll be amazing. There's also a lot of new stuff being developed for him right now. Not as much as V3 when she came out, but then he's a male character, and male characters always get the shaft. I'm VERY happy I got him. ...and I apoligize for all the bad puns. They just sort of happened (grin).